I bought these for a trip to Red Bud from Phoenix for the MX of Nations. Don’t be alarmed when you first try them on, they seem huge. After adjusting the Velcro several times I got the fit right. Never used the rain liner and rode in 40 degree weather and about an hour of rain. I was comfortable and dry the whole time. I’ve always had good luck with Joe Rocket. Good value for the rider on a budget. Follow the suggestions for sizing.
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Using it as an overpant right now, and it works great. Wind and waterproof.
The liner zipper is annoying to use, but it's not terrible.
Note: Order one size up for use as overpant.