Let me start by saying these were on backorder so I dropped my order then looked at others but came back to the TM Caliber pant due to the style/features and price. I am here to tell you these with the liner in on summer rides are like a oven! These should be ridden without the liner in my opinion in hot months. Okay, as usual let me get the bad out of the way.......I wish the liner would be more easily removed. The loop snap is a little out dated in my book (maybe a snap button direct from liner to pant). The knee pad adjustment is quite a pain too with the velcro resealing on you while trying to adjust. Now that is the bad...................the good..............the material used in these pants are great and the flex points are perfectly placed. The sizing is decent but I wished it was maybe 1/2" larger in the waist for the size. I am really a 35" waist and ordered the large/long pant and the size just a hair tighter than I wished. Just motivation for me to lose a few more pounds on the mountain bike! I got the long version because I hate pants that ride up like high waters when you sit on the bike! I am 6' tall and have a 32" inseam and these are perfect. The reflective material is great too. All in all these feel good in the saddle. Worth every penny and I do believe every rider needs one great pair of cordura riding pants.