I purchased these because I sat on a friends bike and they felt great. A week later I installed a set on my bike and went on the maiden voyage. I was having trouble holding on to the bars and controlling the bike the way I normally do. The grips just felt too small without any waffel. I had to grip the bars more and without the waffel it was hard to tell where my hand placement was. Renthal makes a great grip, but there is a reason most top mx pro's ride with half waffle grips.