Excel make great products. Note these will appear too long unless you install them correclty. Installed these spokes and Excel Rims on stock Honda Hubs. The instalation process is very specific: First lace the OUTSIDE holes on the brakes side of the hub, then rotate the hub but not the rim to take up the slack, then lace up the inside holes on the same side. Then turn the whole assembly over and again install the spokes in the OUTSIDE holes on the hub, then complete with the inside holes. You should now have a 3 cross pattern, not the stock 2 cross. This is only on the front, not on the rear. Call Excel if you get stuck, they will help!