do not buy these gloves unless your in 60 degree weather or warmer. I ride 30 miles one way in 40 degrees and my fingers freeze, they are listed as warm weather gloves but they are not. The liner will also pull out and it is very difficult to get your hands back in the glove correctly. Buy a pair of tour master for $25 and save some cash. Im now stuck with them for the spring. It is a shame you would think for the cost and the name, I would have gotten a good product.